The press release states:

Dear Ian

Commenting recently (28th June) on the Renegade Conservatory Guy blog about the recent Which? report, a director of the GGF and FENSA alleged that “GGF members have their own ‘Ombudsman’”.

This distortion is more than just a bit of spin, and it illustrates why the industry so badly needs the Ombudsman Scheme. I am sure the GGF is well enough advised to know the difference, but his attempt to confuse an in-depth, compulsory, free of charge, legally binding Ombudsman (with judicial powers) with an opt-in/opt-out arbitrator with no powers of enforcement is an example of the sort of half truth that has beggared double glazing for so long.

That sort of industry self-deception has been regularly exposed by Which? for decades, along with other tricks of the trade. It’s why the industry is used by The Daily Mail, and others, as a benchmark for bad practice and dishonesty.

The GGF does not have an Ombudsman, with or without quotation marks. Let us be clear in future, please – and honest.

Yours sincerely

Tony Pickup
Founder of the Double Glazing & Conservatory Ombudsman Scheme (DGCOS)

I must admit, when I read this I did feel that Tony had blown out of all proportion the context of Alan’s comment and used it for his own benefit. These are strong words indeed.

Anyway, Alan Burgess has responded as follows:

FAO Tony Pickup

Firstly I note your comments on other sites suggesting a director of the GGF and Fensa has made comments, and has spun the term “ombudsman”.

This is untrue.

Yes I am a director of those (and other) bodies, however please note they were either “personal observations” or were written “for and on behalf of Masterframe Windows Ltd”.

They were not those of any other body. No other context should be considered.

You seem very concerned that I have spun a term, so I thought it best to obtain some definitions of the term, because that’s what members of the public will use.

Heres what I found…..

Wikipedia defines an ombudsman as:

“a person who acts as a trusted intermediary between an organization and some internal or external constituency while representing the broad scope of constituent interests. ‘Ombudsman’, which is an indigenous Danish, Norwegian, and Swedish term, is etymologically rooted in the Old Norse word umbuðsmann, which essentially means ‘representative’.

Usually appointed by the organization, but sometimes elected by the constituency, the ombudsman may, for example, investigate constituent complaints relating to the organization and attempt to resolve them, usually through recommendations (binding or not) or mediation.

Ombudsmen sometimes identify organizational roadblocks running counter to constituent interests.”

Another dictionary site says,

An official appointed by a government or other organization to investigate complaints against people in authority. This position is designed to give those with less power — the “little people” — a voice in the operation of large organizations.

om•buds•man
1.a government official who hears and investigates complaints by private citizens against other officials or government agencies.
2a a person who investigates and attempts to resolve complaints and problems, as between employees and an employer or between students and a university.

Word History :
In Swedish an ombudsman was a deputy who looked after the interests and legal affairs of a group such as a trade union or business.

In 1809 the office of riksdagens justice ombudsman was created to act as an agent of justice, that is, to see after the interests of justice in affairs between the government and its citizens.

This office of ombudsman and the word ombudsman have been adopted elsewhere, as in individual states in the United States.

The term has also been expanded in sense to include people who perform the same function for business corporations or newspapers.

I then looked for arbitrator, that’s a person who…….

1.A person chosen to settle the issue between parties engaged in a dispute.
2.One having the ability or power to make authoritative decisions; an arbiter.

Sound similar, no?

Tony, please ask yourself these questions;

Is the GGF “a trusted intermediary between an organization and some internal or external constituency?”

Does the GGF, “investigate constituent complaints relating to the organization and attempt to resolve them?”

Does the GGF, “ act as an agent of justice?”

Does the GGF, attempt to resolve issues, “usually through recommendations (binding or not) or mediation?

Then it’s reasonable for people to use the term “ombudsman” or “arbitrator” in similar ways.

Tony, I did not try to spin anything, just pointing out the similarities of theses terms. No doubt you will have a far more precise, defined term, but laypeople aren’t interested, what they want is someone who resolves their problems when things go wrong.

Your scheme works for your members, it is not for the common good of every double glazing consumer in the UK, only those using your membership. Likewise the GGF is only interested in dealing with complaints involving its members.

Both offer different methods, both perform a similar role, lets get on with getting EVERY company to sign up organisations that promote good practice, instead of arguing that one is technically different to the other.

Alan Burgess
For and on behalf of Masterframe Windows Ltd

Is our industry really a benchmark for bad practice and dishonesty? Find out more on Glasstalk

Below is a response from a on his blog to valid a question from Emma who says she is looking for replacement double glazing:

“Hi Emma, The real Window Scrappage Scheme has been proposed to the Government through a petition on the Number 10 Downing Street website, but as yet there is no official scheme unless Government policy changes. You obviously saw a TV advert from Anglian Windows who have created their own marketing campaign on this subject.”

Under what seems to be a totally “unofficial” window scrappage scheme, potential customers are appearing to being offered “up to £2,000 off”, but as there is no retail price list, and the fact that “minimum order values apply”, it does just sound like a marketing gimmick, rather than a genuine subsidy”.

Am sure you all agree that a government backed  “Window Scrappage Scheme” would be a great treat to us all. If you agree why not sign up to the GGF petition to get the government to introduce a windows scrappage scheme, to enable homeowners to install environmentally friendly energy efficient, energy saving windows.

So if you are considering replacing any windows, don’t be tricked into believing there is a government national window scrappage scheme, sadly at present there is not, but hopefully if enough people sign the Glass and Glazing Federation’s petition, then the government mind see the benefits for such a scheme.

Want to share your experience of the Window Scrappage Scheme or simply post your comments or questions online CLICK HERE To Post your Comments Online

If you want to show your support to Glass & Glazing Federations Window Scrappage Scheme – simply add your name to the Online Petition.

The benefits of this scheme for window manufacturers, suppliers and installers would be increased sales and a reversal in the downward trend in the number of installed windows and doors. Consumers would save £1,000 and enjoy a facelift to their homes, along with lower fuel bills and more energy efficient homes. And the government would benefit from reduced emissions from the existing housing stock, helping it to meet the necessary greenhouse gas emissions targets. The government would also reclaim some of the grant money in VAT.

“Energy Efficient Windows (EEWs) have a huge role to play in improving the thermal performance of the existing housing stock,” Nigel Rees, Chief Executive of the GGF, explained. “EEWs can reduce emissions by 10% from dwellings nationally and reduce national domestic energy expenditure by 10%.

“The glass and window industry represents over 100,000 employees. Currently direct sell windows and doors fell by 12% in 2008 and a further 14% in 2009. The forecast is for a further 10% drop in 2010. In 2008 FENSA registered 880,831 installations made up of 3,292,437 windows and 761,054 doors. The GGF strongly believes that the proposals to incentivise the professional installation of new energy efficient windows are the only logical way forward.”

Five hundred signatures are needed to take the petition to the next stage. Given the size of the industry, and the popularity of WERs, the GGF expects the petition to receive many more signatures than that.

For further information on uPVC Windows & Doors – Contact the Conservatory Outlet. Specialist suppliers of energy efficient Window, Doors and custom built Conservatories and Orangeries. Visit www.conservatoryoutlet.co.uk

The Glass and Glazing Federation (GGF)
The Glass and Glazing Federation (GGF) is the primary trade association for companies that make, supply or fit flat glass and related products representing more than 60% of the industry’s turnover. As such the GGF is the recognised leading authority for employers and companies within the flat glass, glazing, window, home improvement, plastics and window film industries. This includes double glazing, Energy Efficient Windows, replacement windows, doors, conservatories, applied film, hardware, safety glazing, sealants, fire resistant glass, emergency glazing, decorative glass, secondary glazing, solar control and plastics.

The GGF provides information for homeowners, professional specifiers and anyone seeking professional and unbiased information on any aspect of glass and glazing in the UK. GGF members supply replacement windows, doors, conservatories and Energy Efficient Windows in all framing materials including Aluminium, PVC-U, Steel and Timber.

The GGF is a great promoter of energy efficient glazing and the GGF’ss Carbon Calculator enables homeowners and others to see how much money and carbon can be saved by installing new Energy Efficient Windows.

Architects and Specifiers are well supported with a range of literature and professional advisors to assist with all aspects of specification and related issues. GGF Members sign up to the Federation’s Code of Good Practice and are vetted before being accepted. A free conciliation service is provided for mediation between customers and supplying member companies when required.

For further information go to: www.ggf.org.uk